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	<title>Comments on: FDL Book Salon Welcomes Bruce Bartlett, The Benefit and The Burden: Tax Reform-Why We Need It and What It Will Take</title>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://fdlbooksalon.com/2012/01/29/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-bruce-bartlett/#comment-2215790</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s an empty claim, consumption taxes are regressive and the very reason &quot;conservative economists&quot; propose them, it&#039;s code for &quot;let&#039;s find a marketing scheme to make the less fortunate pay even MORE of our bills&quot;

&quot;over the lifetime&quot; is simply not true, money gets spent on untaxable investments and goods, tax shelters, over seas, as romney demonstrates, they spend the money where they can shed their expenses

and even if your empty were correct (it&#039;s not), the &quot;over time&quot; leaves those assets for investment income that is not available to the people who have payed those taxes immediatly rather then &quot;over time

plain, simple stealing from the labor class, that&#039;s what a consumption tax accomplishes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s an empty claim, consumption taxes are regressive and the very reason &#8220;conservative economists&#8221; propose them, it&#8217;s code for &#8220;let&#8217;s find a marketing scheme to make the less fortunate pay even MORE of our bills&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;over the lifetime&#8221; is simply not true, money gets spent on untaxable investments and goods, tax shelters, over seas, as romney demonstrates, they spend the money where they can shed their expenses</p>
<p>and even if your empty were correct (it&#8217;s not), the &#8220;over time&#8221; leaves those assets for investment income that is not available to the people who have payed those taxes immediatly rather then &#8220;over time</p>
<p>plain, simple stealing from the labor class, that&#8217;s what a consumption tax accomplishes</p>
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		<title>By: papau</title>
		<link>http://fdlbooksalon.com/2012/01/29/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-bruce-bartlett/#comment-2215789</link>
		<dc:creator>papau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for God&#039;s sake DO NOT MOVE FROM A WORLDWIDE TAX APPROACH. It is extremely easy to avoid tax in every other country for a corporation because in those other countries they do not have a worldwide tax and they are happy that they get a &quot;reasonable percentage&quot; of what you choose to tell them was the profit in their country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for God&#8217;s sake DO NOT MOVE FROM A WORLDWIDE TAX APPROACH. It is extremely easy to avoid tax in every other country for a corporation because in those other countries they do not have a worldwide tax and they are happy that they get a &#8220;reasonable percentage&#8221; of what you choose to tell them was the profit in their country.</p>
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		<title>By: HotFlash</title>
		<link>http://fdlbooksalon.com/2012/01/29/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-bruce-bartlett/#comment-2215788</link>
		<dc:creator>HotFlash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent happy book salon!  What a pleasure to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent happy book salon!  What a pleasure to read.</p>
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		<title>By: papau</title>
		<link>http://fdlbooksalon.com/2012/01/29/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-bruce-bartlett/#comment-2215787</link>
		<dc:creator>papau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I disagree.

Income taxes exemptions for investment motivate nothing in terms of economic growth and job growth. A VAT just moves the tax burden away from the rich.

Now if you put in a net worth (asset) tax along with the VAT, we can perhaps get to an agreement on &quot;tax reform&quot;.

I ran a tax department of a large international company - we could move &quot;income&quot; around. I could &quot;buy&quot; &quot;expenses&quot; to reduce taxes and &quot;sell&quot;/move investment and operational income into business forms that are not taxed, and then I can elect Ayn Rand folks that select Ayn Rand folks like Greenspan to run the Fed who in turn refuse to regulate - letting the rich and corporate do whatever.  The brief enforcement of IRS Section 482 (deferred tax accounting) under Clinton kept jobs in the US (This I know because I spoke to those getting board input in many companies and know of the decisions to move jobs that were postponed).  

I put little faith in tax reform. The 1986 Act simplified and removed &quot;loopholes&quot;, - but in 25 years we are back with even more and larger loopholes and 10,000 pages of law and regulations to read before you get to Court decisions.

Let&#039;s have that steeply progressive - but under 65% top rate - income tax that treats wage and investment income the same, plus a net worth (asset) tax plus a VAT because exports demand a US VAT to even out trade - the VAT being the only consumption tax at the Federal level.  Then treat corporations the same as people - with no deferred tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I disagree.</p>
<p>Income taxes exemptions for investment motivate nothing in terms of economic growth and job growth. A VAT just moves the tax burden away from the rich.</p>
<p>Now if you put in a net worth (asset) tax along with the VAT, we can perhaps get to an agreement on &#8220;tax reform&#8221;.</p>
<p>I ran a tax department of a large international company &#8211; we could move &#8220;income&#8221; around. I could &#8220;buy&#8221; &#8220;expenses&#8221; to reduce taxes and &#8220;sell&#8221;/move investment and operational income into business forms that are not taxed, and then I can elect Ayn Rand folks that select Ayn Rand folks like Greenspan to run the Fed who in turn refuse to regulate &#8211; letting the rich and corporate do whatever.  The brief enforcement of IRS Section 482 (deferred tax accounting) under Clinton kept jobs in the US (This I know because I spoke to those getting board input in many companies and know of the decisions to move jobs that were postponed).  </p>
<p>I put little faith in tax reform. The 1986 Act simplified and removed &#8220;loopholes&#8221;, &#8211; but in 25 years we are back with even more and larger loopholes and 10,000 pages of law and regulations to read before you get to Court decisions.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s have that steeply progressive &#8211; but under 65% top rate &#8211; income tax that treats wage and investment income the same, plus a net worth (asset) tax plus a VAT because exports demand a US VAT to even out trade &#8211; the VAT being the only consumption tax at the Federal level.  Then treat corporations the same as people &#8211; with no deferred tax.</p>
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		<title>By: papau</title>
		<link>http://fdlbooksalon.com/2012/01/29/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-bruce-bartlett/#comment-2215786</link>
		<dc:creator>papau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BINGO - Tax the hardest that which can not be moved via accounting to another country - sounds very true.

And the hardest thing to hide are your assets.

So why not a worldwide asset tax, with credits of course for the tax on assets you pay to other countries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BINGO &#8211; Tax the hardest that which can not be moved via accounting to another country &#8211; sounds very true.</p>
<p>And the hardest thing to hide are your assets.</p>
<p>So why not a worldwide asset tax, with credits of course for the tax on assets you pay to other countries?</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Monning Assemblyman is running foe a state senate seat, had campaign meet here and his top issues were tax and campaign finance. e  have a 2/3 budget rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Monning Assemblyman is running foe a state senate seat, had campaign meet here and his top issues were tax and campaign finance. e  have a 2/3 budget rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Canfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Canfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read the book, I highly recommend it. Bruce admits his biases up front in the introduction, which is quite admirable.

There are a few parts which will ring harsh to liberal ears, but really the most of it is completely fact based. 

And the Grover Norquist smack-down is really quite enjoyable, besides factual and infuriating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read the book, I highly recommend it. Bruce admits his biases up front in the introduction, which is quite admirable.</p>
<p>There are a few parts which will ring harsh to liberal ears, but really the most of it is completely fact based. </p>
<p>And the Grover Norquist smack-down is really quite enjoyable, besides factual and infuriating.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarecrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks much to both Bruce Bartlett and James Galbraith, for coming and taking so many questions.  Fun, excellent discussion.  Highly recommended book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks much to both Bruce Bartlett and James Galbraith, for coming and taking so many questions.  Fun, excellent discussion.  Highly recommended book.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to our host and guest. I hope the book gets a lot of readers; we all benefit from Mr. Bartlett&#039;s insights and learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to our host and guest. I hope the book gets a lot of readers; we all benefit from Mr. Bartlett&#8217;s insights and learning.</p>
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		<title>By: marymccurnin</title>
		<link>http://fdlbooksalon.com/2012/01/29/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-bruce-bartlett/#comment-2215781</link>
		<dc:creator>marymccurnin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bruce. It was a great book salon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bruce. It was a great book salon.</p>
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